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02 Apr, 2011

Blogging for dollars

Posted by andrea tomkins in: Publishing/writing/career stuff|The business of blogging

Recent talk about money and income has had my brain aflame. And even as I’m sitting down I feel like this post is going to be all over the place.

I need to step back for a moment.

Ann’s column was about websites that publish “top blogger” lists. Babble publishes one, and ones like it are all over the Internet. I do read the lists, but I also have a problem with them. Like Annie was quoted as saying in the column, there is a lack of methodology when it comes to building those lists. The finished product amounts to little more than a popularity contest. Readers have mixed feelings about them too. It’s an understandable ambivalence. Some feel bad about not making the list while others don’t give a whip about whether they’re on it or not.

Same goes for the vast majority of so-called blog awards out there. They’re almost always non-juried, meaning that bloggers can go vote for themselves every day and harass their readers to do the same. Winning one of these, well, let’s just say I don’t think it’s a big deal.

After Ann’s post was published, Katie Granju published this post, which inspired a storm of comments about bloggers and income. Catherine (Her Bad Mother) posted a response to that here. After reading through all of it today, I’m not sure if we’re much farther ahead.

I’ve watched this unfold with interest because as some of you know, I tried ranking Ottawa bloggers according to blog revenue recently, and it didn’t work. Maybe it would have worked if I took it offline, but it didn’t unfold the way I had planned. As Katie wrote: “… smart, savvy bloggers are hesitant to be ranked against others within our own online community.” And I get that, but I still believe there’s a benefit of a ranking based on factual information such as income.

As an aside, have you read the Technorati 2010 State of the Blogosphere report? There’s an interesting section about blog income, which may be of interest to some of you.

Here’s what Catherine Connors wrote about talking about money, and I can’t say I disagree:

“I was, and remain, reluctant to publicly discuss the hard numbers of what I make, because I don’t really think that it’s necessary, and also because – all of my brave talk notwithstanding – I still feel kind of prissy about it and the whole larger discussion. And – cue dramatic sigh – because I’m afraid of being snarked at – that whole ‘mom bloggers don’t deserve success’ horseshit that, regardless of how horseshitty it is, one still wants to avoid having flung in one’s face –”

Ah yes, the haters. I try to ignore those people, but I know they’re out there, seething and judging. (Why? Because they’re envious I guess. Do what I do and pity the haters.)

But but but (and Catherine goes on to say this too), knowing what bloggers can earn is important information for other bloggers. We need to talk dollars- at least ballpark dollars – because women everywhere have been undervaluing themselves forever, and it’s time to change that.

I’ve said it before, and I need to say it again because it’s very important to recognize that blogging has incredible value in and of itself.

  • It is a family scrapbook
  • Writing is a cathartic act. It is good for the heart and soul and our mental health.
  • You can use a blog to build a portfolio of writing… which can lead to paid work in traditional media, online media, marketing or consulting, speaking engagements, book deals etc
  • It can lead to free stuff, if you’re into that kind of thing (more about that in a sec)
  • Let’s not forget, that a blog can result in very rich and rewarding personal and business relationships, and truly, there is no greater value than this.

Not every blogger should be looking for dollars. It is not always a good fit, BUT it’s certainly okay if someone wants to turn their blogging hobby into a business, even if it’s just about covering the costs of operating it, right?

Another reason to talk dollars is because at the same time as all of this is happening, parenting bloggers are getting more and more pitches from big companies who are looking to connect with their consumers in a new and different way. Parenting stuff is BIG business, and I mean billions of dollars big. I think that some companies and agencies are exploiting bloggers (there, I said it) and if bloggers knew what they’re worth, they are less likely to get taken advantage of.

Many of you know how it goes down, because it’s common practice in the PR industry right now. Big Company X sends an email asking you, the blogger, to mention their product on your blog. Often it’s just a press release. Sometimes, but not always, they will send you product. Sometimes Big Company X will offer to link your blog from a microsite. Sometimes they will ask you to be a product tester. Sometimes there is a “badge” involved, and you’re asked to post it on your blog. There is rarely remuneration involved. There might be a contest you might qualify for, but most likely, the blogger is given (low-value) products in return for participating.

Please, dear blogger friend, if you receive one of these pitches, pause for a moment and consider what Big Company X is getting in return for your (very public) testimony. They are harnessing your voice, your blog in order to reach your loyal and hard-earned readership. Their outreach is ultimately about creating word-of-mouth advertising and awareness via trusted and influential bloggers. Do you have any idea how much this is worth in the advertising industry? It’s gold. It is NOT bad, or rude, to say to that PR agency (in a polite way of course): What’s in it for me? Why should I help you?

I am finding this trend – overall – to be somewhat troubling and I’m not sure what the solution is. But the fact remains that the things that bloggers have earned – loyalty, expertise, an influential voice with a very wide segment of a much-desired target market – has great value, and that value isn’t being compensated very fairly with these kinds of pitches.

Anyway, this is a very long way of saying that we bloggers need to know that what we have created is valuable. Big Company X knows this, why don’t we?

My blog is different from many others out there. At one point I decided that it was going to be geocentric, and quite specific to the city (and also the neighbourhood) in which we live. I love Ottawa and what this city has to offer for families … so that topic makes up the bulk of what I write about. One might think this limits me in terms of readership and advertising, but it’s something I’ve been able to turn into an advantage. I am happy about my size and scope, and my little niche has worked for me because all of my advertisers are local Ottawa businesses.

So, do you want to read a bit about how I do it? It took me a long time to figure this out, but this is what has worked for me.

1) My ads are display ads that I sell myself. I chose not to go through an ad network (such as Google or BlogHer ads) because I wanted total control over the content. Selling your own ad space is more work, but I feel really strongly that it results in better-quality advertising.

2) I recognize the fact that the display of ads on a personal blog like mine appears to be an endorsement, so I accept it on those terms. I only promote businesses and organizations that I can feel good about supporting. That’s why you won’t ever see an ad for WalMart or McDonald’s here on the Fishbowl.

3) I don’t actively sell ad space anymore. Advertisers come to me. I have a rate sheet, or rate card, that I’ve done up all pretty for when an advertiser comes calling. The rate sheet answers questions the advertiser might have if they’re thinking of coming on board, such as the number of hits etc. It goes without saying that your rate sheet should look totally professional. I’m a fan of having a similar style throughout all marketing materials; business cards, blog, Twitter background etc. If you can’t do it, hire someone who can because it makes all the difference in the world. First impressions count.

4) I don’t consider my advertisers to be “advertisers,” they are patrons. It might seem like mere semantics to some, but I don’t see it that way. My patrons are individuals who have stepped forward and are helping keep this boat afloat. It’s a different kind of relationship. They support me, so I support them whenever I can, whether it’s online or offline when and where it fits. Basically, they are in the back of my mind wherever conversations occur. And because I’m so selective about who comes on board I feel good doing it this way.

If this conversation is going to have any value at all we need to talk about rates. This was the most difficult to figure out. I had to think long and hard about it. I want to state for the record that I don’t think there’s anything wrong with starting out really low at first. I know it’s something a lot of people do because getting that first ad is the hardest. There is also nothing wrong with trading ad space for product or services if it’s something you can honestly say you’ll use.

My original goal was to cover the costs of running this website. I thought would it make sense if I set my rate at $50/month to begin with. I have to be honest. I totally pulled that number of out a hat because I couldn’t find any useful information about “momblogging” ad rates anywhere. And I looked.

I didn’t want to give the space away – I knew I had something good here – so I figured fifty bucks wouldn’t be a lot of money for a certain size of business. Given what I knew about who’s reading (many of whom are parents like me) I was betting that $50/month would be seen as money well spent. The advertiser wouldn’t think they’re breaking the bank but it would add up nicely for me.

I thought that if I could persuade one business person to agree that rate (a) I’d know I gotten it right and (b) that the market could bear it. And you know what, I did find someone. From that point onward I increased the cost of the ad space.

I have thought about whether or not I would reveal my rates here but I don’t think I will. It’s not a secret (obviously, there are a lot of people out there who already know), but I think I’ll keep it private for now. I don’t post rates because I prefer potential advertisers to contact me directly for the information.

Suffice it to say, the income I earn from ad sales is not paying for my reno, but it is helping. I am earning the equivalent of a part-time job, which is fair given the number of hours that I put into this little space of mine. It has become part of my job – which is mostly writing and web content management. My job helps feed and clothe my children and put food on the table. The blog has lead to paid writing opportunities, speaking engagements, opportunities to travel and meet cool people, and free stuff for me (and for you!).  I am so lucky to be making money from something I love doing every day.

Anyway, this has turned out to be a helluva long post, hasn’t it? I hope I’ve shed some light on this topic. I have more to say about blog monetization but I think I’m going to save that for another day.

Are you selling ads now? How is it working for you? Thinking about doing it? I’m happy to answer questions you might have.

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17 Responses to "Blogging for dollars"

1 | Sarah Morgenstern

April 2nd, 2011 at 12:24 pm

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Well said Andrea! And we couldn’t agree more at savvymom.ca about your stance on PR companies’ requests for testimonies.

“What’s in it for me/us? Why should I/we help you?” should roll off all our tongues. The more that do the sooner the value of the endorsements will become clear. My personal pet peeve is when Big Company X offers to feature your review on their Facebook page when they only have a few hundred Likes on that page to begin with …as if that is such an appealing offer that will help us raise the profile of SavvyMom or get new subscribers!

2 | Morgan

April 2nd, 2011 at 1:29 pm

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Great post! I have read many about the same subject on American blogs, but this is the first I’ve seen on Canadian ones. I also sell ads privately on my blog – I like controlling the content and the look of my blog. I also have a tendency to try and promote Canadian businesses.

Now that I have been blogging for a while, I get lots of ad requests and review requests. I’m a lot pickier now, though at the beginning I took almost every one. It’s a learning process….and I am still learning!

3 | coffee with julie

April 2nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

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I’ll preface this by saying that I am known for being cynical … but you know that anyway Andrea ;)

I’ve been following the various postings on blog monetization, but frankly, this topic is just an annoyance to me now because all I read is “we should talk about dollars” and “it is very important that women talk about money” etc. And yet, STILL, no one is talking about dollars — i.e. how much can a blogger really earn in a year? And how many hours are associated with that earning? Or, as Amy from Muddy Boots suggested, what is a fair rate to charge for a certain level of readership? It’s clear as mud out here in bloggy world!

(Yes, Catherine Connors said she earns more than a sessional professor, which gives a guide stick. And Andrea said she earns a part-time income … but a part-time income can be as a cashier at Tim Hortons or as a neurosurgeon, so it’s still pretty vague.)

If for competitive or “hater” reasons, folks don’t want to disclose specifics then I’m fine with that … it’s an individual choice. I personally don’t really feel like sharing my annual income in my 9-to-5 job either. But if that’s the case, let’s just close up the subject and move along … I’m sure we’ll all figure it out eventually! :)

4 | Annie @ PhD in Parenting

April 2nd, 2011 at 9:05 pm

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Julie:

I think one of the reasons that we can’t put benchmarks out there is that it depends.

How much can someone earn in a year? That depends on how hard they work at it, how talented a writer they are, how good they are at building a community.

How much can they charge for a certain level of readership? It depends. How homogeneous or non-homogeneous is their audience and how to advertisers fit with that? (e.g. Andrea can probably charge more for Ottawa-focused ads than I can and I can probably charge more for breastfeeding-related ads than she can, even if we had the same level of traffic). What is the disposable income of the readers like? Is the site bringing in new readers all the time or is it the same people coming back every day? Are the readers of that site likely to click on and act on the ads or not? How willing are the bloggers to let any company at all advertise on their blog?

There are way too many factors at play. That is why I am happy to share dollar figures in the context of a one-on-one or small group discussion because I can add that type of context to it. But to just put a dollar figure out there without all of that context seems quite arbitrary to me.

5 | andrea

April 2nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm

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Julie: Perhaps i’m still being too vague (is there such as thing as a PT neurosurgeon??!) but I was hoping that my sharing the $50/month figure it would act as a bit of a guide, or at least give bloggers a fair idea of what is an achievable starting point.

I started charging this amount I was getting 800-900 daily views (if I am remembering correctly).

Annie: It’s true that there are a lot of variables as it pertains to the question of “how much” and it depends on a lot of things. But let’s draw a parallel between earnings from blog ads and earnings from, say, magazine writing.

Some writers earn a lot, some, not so much. When salary ranges are posted (say on job boards) I think it’s automatically understood that there are a lot of factors at play here too. Maybe the writer works for better-known magazine with bigger circulations? Maybe he or she is better at making pitches and selling themselves?

Having at least some information about wages is good to know if you’re starting out in this industry. Wouldn’t you agree? You’d want to know if a potential employer is taking advantage of you… if you are earning a fair wage, right?

6 | coffee with julie

April 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am

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Annie: Yes, I understand this notion that the answer “depends.” But if that’s the answer, then let’s not do long blog posts about how we should talk money and then not actually talk money.

Andrea: I completely agree … I am (or was) constantly asked by other writers entering the market what the going rate is for freelance work. But, like blogging, it depends: is it non-profit work, newspaper work, magazine work, or ad copy? How much experience do you have, and how broad is your portfolio? You’ll find people writing for $5/hour and others who charge $125/hr. I used to advise that anything under $25/hour is being taken advantage of because you are not just writing … you are also researching, interviewing, transcribing the interview, proofreading and then of course there is the paperwork for billing (and chasing down your pay!). For the record, my rate is $80/hr for corporate work and the level of experience associated with this rate can be viewed at http://www.caffeinecommunications.ca – click on portfolio.

(Note: in case you are reading this and have the same question — The best overview that I’ve found for Canadian writers and those who want to hire a writer has been developed by the Professional Writers Association of Canada (see right-hand menu): http://www.writers.ca/whattopay.htm)

p.s. Of course there are PT neurosurgeons … didn’t you know I did that on the side? It’s quite lucractive, you should check into it ;)

7 | coffee with julie

April 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am

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p.p.s. I should add that if you visit my freelance site and wonder where I got such awesome photography done for it, the photographer’s name is Andrea Tomkins. She is extremely talented and a pleasure to work with.

8 | Monetizing your blog, part two! >> a peek inside the fishbowl

April 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am

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[…] I’ve gotten some great comments and email responses from my post the other day. I started tapping out a very long response to comments in yesterday’s post and I decided to paste them here instead. So if you’re just catching up, you might want to read that post first. […]

9 | Sara

April 3rd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

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I feel like I have nothing constructive to add to the discussion but will throw out a “this is extremely interesting” comment because I’ve read all the posts with great interest! I do not make any money off my personal blog, nor do I have any plans to in the near future. But I know one of the reasons why I sometimes reluctantly talk about my business with others in the same industry is the ‘snark’ factor. I don’t like being judged for what I am / am not doing and I imagine bloggers might feel the same way. At the same time I’m curious about others’ experiences because I want to learn more about my industry. In other words, I can see both sides ;)

See, nothing constructive and lots of fence sitting!

10 | karinny

April 4th, 2011 at 9:06 am

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Andrea, you really made me change my mind about adds in blogs. What I like the best is that your patrons are people doing good work in the community. They support you, you support them, there is more employment, prettier stores, local business… everything just flourishes from there!

11 | James

April 4th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

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But isn’t the hope of monetizing a “mommy blog” (a term I personally dislike) in any significant way akin to a talented teenager hoping for a pro sports career…and riches? Very few make the pros, and even if you do, it’s a short career unless you find away to extend your blog beyond the few years that your kids are cute and such a curiosity to you that you’re inspired to write about the act of parenthood in any meaningful—and entertaining—way. I thought the recent article in the New York Times Magazine raised expectations way, way beyond reality. If you’re a talented writer, and I see many bloggers out there who obviously are, I truly think you have more chance of making a decent wage as a freelance writer, and expand your writing horizons beyond family issues.

12 | Lynn

April 5th, 2011 at 7:41 am

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Great post, Andrea (and the follow up too). I think this is a great opener to the conversation and there’s lots of great detail, more than I’ve read anywhere else.

One thing I love about your blog is that you really know who you are – I hate to use the “brand” word, but your blog has a distinctive style, in both text and design, and a strong theme and audience. I think those things are also very important for someone who wants to monetize.

Lots of things to think about here – thanks again!

13 | andrea

April 5th, 2011 at 8:50 am

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James – I think the analogy of the pro athlete you picked is a really good one.

I would say that Dooce is the blogger equivalent. There are others, but she’s one who has really made it work for her. Her income from her blog supports her family, she’s had book deals, is flown around the world to speak at conferences, and is on HGTV. She’s hit the holy grail… and she’s also one in a million.

I don’t ever recommend bloggers start out with the sole intent of making money. They should start by just writing for themselves and see where it goes. You’re right, many parenting bloggers will let their blogs wither as their kids get older, but many can (and do!) turn it into something bigger. But like that pro athlete, there are many levels of success and achievement… no matter how you might define that success. Someone who loves hockey might not make it to the NHL, but they might have a great time trying. They also might end up finding careers as teachers, coaches, referees… who knows!

I love it when people can turn their hobbies into full-time well paying jobs, whether they’re foodies, gardeners, beekeepers, fitness buffs, flower arrangers, knitters, or bloggers. Life is too short not to be doing the things that you love to do.

Lynn: thank you! But I can’t honestly say that it all happened with some kind of big plan! :)

14 | Claire at A Blog Job

April 5th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

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Love this article — and I’ve been following all the others that sparked this over the weekend. FYI that here are some numbers: http://ablogjob.com/a-full-time-blogging-income-whats-your-blogging-income-price-point-and-when-can-you-quit-your-day-job/

Basically other bloggers (some at least) are pretty good about opening up if you ask them to!

Sum is that if you have some (a couple thousand hits a day) you could reasonably make $2-$3K/month —- but worth checking out some of the specific numbers others cite;)

15 | James

April 5th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

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I have nothing against people putting their creative energies into blogs–I have one after all–but as a former (and possibly future) editor of small magazines I hate the thought of losing all those good, young writers to blogs. Back in the day when I was senior editor at Ottawa Magazine in the ’80s, a handful of my best writers were women with children at home, or just into school. Now, those women would probably be mommy bloggers because it’s so easy to find an outlet that way and not risk disappointment at the hands of editors like me. But that’s how the magazine industry grew; I mean, Charlotte Gray used to write for us. If those women all stayed in the blogosphere, it would be one more strike against the magazine industry, which is already reeling.

16 | Jaden

April 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

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What a great post. I toy with the idea of being totally open about dollars, but my biggest fear is the same as most others who won’t share hard dollars.

Maybe one evening, I’ll have one too many glasses of wine and I’ll just write an entire book about monetization and branding.

17 | Joanna

February 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am

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I found this post through your Comments for Community tweet today. I’m new to th blogosphere and therefore have been doing research about monetizing your blog. As many of the comments state, there is a lot of general tips but no actual specifics. I’m glad that someone is getting into the discussion of specifics. I understand the issue of income disclosure however doesn’t that correspond to the lack of respect we get from Big Company X?

I think that starting the conversation about specifics of monetizing your blog is a good first step, but in order to gain more respect for the craft we need to brand it as a real career that is worth the investment.

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