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22 Feb, 2010

write away

Posted by andrea tomkins in: Misc. life

eta; this refers to today’s earlier post. Thank you for your condolences.

Am writing off the top of my head. Forgive me for not editing this closely to make it a coherent spelled-checked whole, but I want to get this out there. Please indulge me.

It’s hard to talk about death with our children but I think it’s important that we do. I’d like to hear your thoughts on this. How did your parents help you deal with death when you were a kid? How do you help your kids deal with it now?

We’ve had a number of deaths in our circle.

– Mark’s grandmother
– our neighbor
– the wife of a friend
– the husband of a friend
– a child at my daughter’s school

These are just a few, but and we’ve attended services, with our daughters, for each one. For me, this is one of the hardest things we can do as a parent but it is something we need to do. Otherwise how do they learn to cope with it later on?

It’s so difficult to talk openly with our children about the inevitable end. When you’re a child the days are so long, but there it is, death, at the end of a long twisting road, a looming black hole you need to step through and you don’t know what’s going to happen when you do.

When I was a kid my parents told me that dying was “just like sleeping.” I know they said that to console me, but it only made it worse.

I remember crying myself to sleep just thinking about it. And you know what? It still affects me. It happens at night sometimes, striking me out of the blue. I’ll be on the cusp of falling asleep when I suddenly remember I’m going to die. I’m jolted awake. I think of my grandmother and ask her to help me. And then I push the thought away. 

Our lives have a time limit, and fortunately or unfortunately we don’t know what that time limit is. We have one chance to do it right.

I am tempted, but I can’t really soften the blow for the girls by telling them with certainty that there is a heaven and that our relatives are waiting for us on a puffy cloud somewhere and looking down on us, guiding our path through life. I tell them that this is a possibility. Some believe it is so. I want to believe it too, because it makes that black hole less frightening. But I am beholden to the science. I suppose that makes me an agnostic. I believe there is More Than We Can Possibly Understand and I’m open to the possibility.

Mark is an atheist. He believes that once we’re dead we are worm food. And this is what we tell the girls. Oh, we don’t say it in a way that sounds as harsh as the way I just tapped it out, but we tell them a version of it.

You know the song Calendar Girl by the Stars?

“I dreamed I was dying; as I so often do,
And when I awoke I was sure it was true,
I ran to the window; threw my head to the sky
And said whoever is up there, please don’t let me die
But I can’t live forever, I can’t always be
One day I’ll be sand on a beach by a sea …”

This is what we tell them. We live long lives, we die, and we become part of the earth that nourished us while we were alive.

We tell them that it’s important to love the people who are close to us, and to try to be kind to those around us because we don’t know what’s going on deep in their hearts. We tell them that it’s our job to try to make the world a better place while we are here.

Oh there’s that lump and the blurry keyboard again. I’m sorry friends. I am so sad today.


17 Responses to "write away"

1 | bushidoka

February 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

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Death is something that has been shaking me quite a bit the last few years. Not sure if this is what a mid-life-crisis is or what, but for the first time in my (43 year) life I’m acutely aware that my time here is limited. When our first son was born 8 years ago now, I had a calling back to my Catholic roots and started going to church regularly, and taking him when he got a bit older. Then his younger brother. I even started going to the men’s club and got elected to church council – all over a 3 or 4 year span. Then about 3 years ago now I realised I don’t believe any of that stuff and that I’m actually a Buddhist. Or “Aiki-Buddist” as I say, since my beliefs are also very heavily influenced by my Aikido training. So I left the Church. This was all around the same time I started to become haunted by death. Not sure which was the chicken, and which the egg.

Anyway, about a year ago now my mom passed away, and it seemed to hit my youngest son pretty hard. They were not close physically since my parents are in NS, but they did talk on the phone several times a week. My youngest was 5 at the time and for months after this he would get completely freaked out about death – with nightmares and the whole works. That worried me since I do not recall ever being like that as a kid – even after my grandfather died when I was about 10. But he seems to finally be back to normal now.

We try to keep them appraised of the various theories of the afterlife, and what the various religions think. What I believe of course is that we are all part of “the one” – and that dying is only an illusion since being an individual is only an illusion. This does not mean that I live on after death – in fact I think it means the opposite – that what I am experiencing right now is not really real one the most fundamental level. When I am gone I will be gone because I never really existed in the first place!

For more info on my beliefs you can check out this post which I just put up a week or so ago, with permission from the original author, who is a high-level Aikido instructor in the Pacific Northwest of the US.

2 | Kaitlin

February 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm

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It’s good to talk about these things, or at the very least it is healthy, though it is hard.

I also take huge comfort in knowing that I am not the only one who is awakened by this in the middle of the night, or while trying to go to sleep. My parents never had a discussion with me, and I never lost anyone of great significance to me until I was in my twenties, at which point overwhelming anxieties took root, where I basically wasn’t able to function (mind you, hormone drugs were not helping this).

I don’t have the answer as to how parents should talk about death with their children.

I do believe in a greater entity, though I haven’t figured out if I believe there is one, or many, or what form it takes. But, the dialogue is important.

3 | bushidoka

February 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

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Oh, one speaking of parents – mine never really had any discussion at all about it with me. But this was pretty typical of them with all sorts of things – I had to figure everything out on my own :-) Not that they were bad parents – in fact I think they were far better than most. They just kept everything bottled up – this was probably their biggest shortcoming.

Our oldest is 8 and is a total science-head. He is completely cool with the idea that one day he’ll be dead. Does not seem to bother him in the least – it is just the way it works.

4 | Vivian

February 22nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

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Oh Andrea — I’m so sorry to hear about your loss.

I have no answers on how to deal with this as a parent :/ I’m interested to hear about what others have to say since my little guy is only 3.

5 | Nadine C.

February 22nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

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I am very sorry for your lost , your husband’s uncle sounded like a great man! I am sure that being into his 80’s he must have had a very good life. Kind and generous people always leave a great legacy behind them, so you can always have fond memories of him.
As for explaining death to a child , I have also found that it is the hardest thing to do since there is no right or wrong way to go about it. My husband shares the same views as your husband I guess, and so for him the explanation of food for the worms is the most logical and easiest one. I , on the other hand , do struggle with the topic as I really hope that we don’t just fade away but that our soul does serve some purpose afterwards….
My daughter, like any child obviously, is so attached to her family and friends that she has had some hard times dealing with the passing away of loved ones young and old . The idea that she would lose one of us someday is unbearable to her. She also gets very sad on her visits to CHEO as she understands that some of the young patients that she sees there , will probably not live to see another birthday. I guess that as long as we are willing to listen to her fears and questions about death and discuss that topic with her and tell her to enjoy and be grateful for every moment spent on this beautiful Earth than we’ve helped a little.
That song that you posted ,by the way, is really beautiful…

6 | DaniGirl

February 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm

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Andrea, just reading that you’re tearing up makes me cry, too.

I’m sorry you’re sad. I wish I could say something more helpful.

7 | Binky

February 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm

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When I was a kid, we didn’t talk about death. I lived in a small village with a huge network of relatives. I went to funerals and funeral homes a lot, mostly because I was a “special occasion” altar boy who did funerals and marriages. One day death visited our family and took our mother. And we still didn’t talk about death. We were expected to just get on with our lives. Kinda crazy.

My children have no grand-parents, so they will miss a common first sighting of death. My eldest daughter asks about death every once in a while and I tell her that yes I will die one day. She says that will make her very sad. I was an atheist for many years but then faced with a sad little pair of eyes, I decided to believe or I always did believe that there is something after the funeral. I told my daughter that we would be reunited in the afterlife. Did I start believing it to help my daughter? Or to help me? Probably both.

Someday my daughter will ask me how old I was when my mother died and I will tell her I was “old”. She does not need such a personal example of young kids losing their parents – to death. I lied to her about Santa. I’m sure that someday she will understand why I chose to bend the truth on both Santa and death.

8 | Laura

February 22nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

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We had to talk about death when our 14 year old tabby cat died a year ago and then my Aunt a few months later. Our children knew Aunty S. but were not close with her, which made things easier in a way. I have no advice in how to talk to children about death. I need answers to that parenting dilemma too. I told my kids I did not know but I am trying to figure it out. My husband told a lofty story about heaven, but those were his beliefs. The girls each came up with their imaginative happy interpretations and so far, that is still their “beliefs”. I did see it as an opportunity to show my children how we (me, my husband, our extended family and friends) deal with grief, tragedy and sadness. They now know how we support each other, honour our loved ones and cherish moments together. My heart goes out to you at this sad time Andrea.

10 | Kate

February 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 pm

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I suppose it’s easier for us since we have a strong religious beliefs, and feel certain there is some sort of heaven…so that’s the message we pass along.

The other night my almost four year old asked me if I ever had grandparents. I explained to her that G.G. is my grandma, and that my other three grandparents died and went to heaven.

Then she came out with “That’s okay, mommy, because even though they’re dead they still live in your heart and they can talk to you there.” I was so impressed by the depth of this, wondering if perhaps my sister-in-law, our daycare provider, had discussed death with her. “How do you know that?” I asked. “It was in The Land Before Time”. Ah yes. Leave it to animated DVDs to teach our kids the real lessons.

You’re in my thoughts.

11 | Stefania (Ingredients for Life)

February 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

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Hubby was surprised that I hadn’t commented on this since I was terrified about death from an early age and am so (maybe less) till this day.
As I’ve gotten older and had my own kids my ideas about death, God and everything else on this topic have changed.
I’m not sure there is an afterlife. I like to think that there is. I don’t understand how we’re beautiful beings (mentally, physically and spiritually) on this earth and then it’s over. However, it saddens me for days when I hear/read about children dieing. I don’t get it and I can’t accept that they’re better off, blah, blah, blah.
My 5 year old is just learning about death and asking questions after the earthquake in Haiti (again, I can’t wrap my brain around that disaster). We answer her questions and leave it at that (a lesson I learned from you, Andrea). Does she get death? Probably in an abstract way. I realize that as she gets older it’s going to get tougher as people close to her die.
So, I don’t have any answers except I think it’s always best to talk about things.

12 | LO

February 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm

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My condolences to you Andrea.
I too wake in the night, riveted by the fact that ‘my days are numbered’ and I don’t know when the ‘end’ will be. Of course being a parent makes this thought so much more daunting. I DO believe there is something waiting-something better-something that makes sense when we ‘get there’ as in human terms, rallied against science, the spiritual afterlife does not make sense…..I believe infinity is a really long time to be a worm:) or just not be so I believe there is something. I believe this like I believe that all of my loved ones that were short-changed on life, are watching me from above. I lost my parents very young and I like to think, especially in the night when I worry, that they are together and living their afterlife like the Angels at the beach and library in City of Angels.
Peace to you and your family during this time.
Lo

13 | BeachMama

February 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm

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My condolences to your family Andrea. Loss is a hard thing to deal with and we all deal with it differently. It sounds like you are teaching the girls the best things about life and what we believe happens afterwards is really a personal thing. It depends on what you believe in your heart. If you continue to guide the girls the way you are they will find their own beliefs whether it be worm food, going to Heaven or both.

14 | Shan

February 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

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My condolences to your family.

When I was 12 and my brother 10 we suffered the very significant loss of our father. To complicate matters on many many levels he had committed suicide. As a parent now I cannot imagine how my Mom coped with having to explain it all to us, but she did. She let us ask questions and she answered them the best she could. I like to think I have a pretty healthy relationship with death… not my own, that will wake me up in the middle night. I think because I know if I were to die tomorrow what I’d be leaving behind. I know what it would be like for my kids because I’ve been there. I just think my Mom being so open and honest with us about what happened with my dad taught me it’s okay to grieve and be sad/angry. I find comfort in the grieving process, which sounds very strange, but it’s the best way I know to describe it.

15 | Dave

February 23rd, 2010 at 7:04 am

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We went through this/are going through this with the recent death of my grandmother. I think it’s important to be honest. I was taught gentle lies (well-meaning stuff, but…) as a kid, and had a hard time sorting out the truth later on.

We tell our kids that most of the stories we tell ourselves about what happens after we die are just metaphors to help us understand something we can never really understand. I think it’s important to tell them the process of a person’s entire life, rather than to simply explain away death.

I’m very sorry for your loss. Life is a beautiful thing.

16 | lacoop

February 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 am

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My condolences Andrea. I too am a science and logic person. But I do not find this at odds with any faith/belief system, because there is so much more to our universe than any of us can understand. We are always discovering new things, and that changes our science and our logic. Things that once seemed like magic are now understood and even manipulated by us, although they can still feel like magic. And as for life and death, it is often forgotten that we still are not quite sure what life is (that definition has changed a bit over time and is still a subject of debate), so how can we be so conclusive about what death is? Using science and logic in our lives simply means making decisions based upon the available evidence (that’s what separates us from politicians). And the available evidence tells us there is so much more to life and death than we know, and that gives me wonder and faith.

17 | mrsgryphon

February 25th, 2010 at 2:32 am

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I’m so sorry for your family’s loss, Andrea. I’m sure your family will find ways to remember and honour Uncle Sam – he sounds like a wonderful man.

When I was growing up, we lost all four of our grandparents within an 6 year span (the first when I was 11), and I remember it being a pretty confusing time. I had never seen my Dad cry before, and it made it very clear to me that something serious was going on. I remember the funerals, and the weird vibe in the church basement where people were chatting and laughing even though we had just said goodbye to my awesome Grandpa.

We did talk a bit afterwards, and my parents were very clear that it was okay to be sad or angry and that we could talk whenever we wanted to. They found solace in their faith, I think, but as a kid that didn’t do much for me. I think I was about 13 when I decided that the Christian traditional version of Heaven/Hell wasn’t the right answer for me, so I’ve been trying to figure out what I believe ever since.

I hope that, by talking with our daughters in small pieces and using examples that she can understand, it might be a little easier to handle when the time comes. My husband is a veterinarian, so life and death have always been a part of the discussions at our dinner table. Our 4 year old knows that animals get sick and sometimes they die. Of course, that’s not the same as a loved one, but it does give us the opportunity to talk about illness or accidents that cause injury, doctors doing the best they can to help heal, and how sometimes that just isn’t enough. We’ve taken opportunities to discuss death as it arises, and she seems to be fairly perceptive about it. Amazing, but she happened to see the luge accident from Vancouver (I didn’t know what was happening and then it was on TV and I gasped and asked her to turn away, but she’d already seen it) and she was upset, so we talked about it and she explained it to her Dad really well when he came home that night. We strongly believe in telling the truth (her Aunt recently told her that their pet rabbit – that my husband had euthanized due to illness – had “gone on holiday”! NOT OKAY!!!) and we answer her questions as clearly and simply as we can.

Your family has had to deal with a lot lately, and I’m sure that your girls know that they can ask questions and talk to you whenever they need to… to me, having open communication is the best way to handle any particularly difficult situation.

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