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30 Jul, 2007

Kids and money

Posted by andrea tomkins in: Misc. life

Awhile ago I received a lovely email from a reader. I feel guilty it’s taken me this long to get around to addressing it, but it arrived in the lead up to our camping trip. I was all a-tizzy with deadlines/laundry/list writing/packing and couldn’t find two seconds in a row to think about anything else.

Anyway, Alison, thank you for your kind words.

Alison also asked me about something I’ve been thinking about for quite awhile.

She wrote: “I was wondering what you do about allowances. Do you have them for your girls? Do you have them pegged to chores? Are you concerned they will buy complete crap and clutter your house :)”

Answer: we haven’t done the allowance thing yet. When do most people start giving their kids an allowance anyway? I have no idea. And it hasn’t really come up. But I guess now is as good a time as any, isn’t it?

First, chores. The girls don’t really have any. Shocking, I know. They are just expected to help out with anything I ask them to. If I’ve vacuuming I ask Sarah to hoover up the crumbs under the dining room table while Emma organizes the pile of shoes in the hallway and vacuums underneath. If Mark is putting away the laundry (we have an agreement, I wash and sort, he puts away) the girls are expected to put away their clothing if they’re asked to.

This goes for anything: setting the table, putting away groceries etc. They do it when they’re asked. Period. I’m rather lax about their bedrooms. I figure it’s their space, but every once in awhile I hit a breaking point and we do a massive cleanup.

All this might change as they get older, but I think we’ll play that by ear.

So it wouldn’t make sense to tie their allowance to chores. Personally, I don’t agree with it anyway. I think kids should be helping out, period. Why should a kid make money if it’s something they should be doing it anyway? No one pays me for making dinner and cleaning the bathrooms! We all have to do our part and tidy up after ourselves.

Mind you, if the chore is way above and beyond the norm I could see parents giving the kid some money for doing it.

I don’t want to screw this allowance thing up. And if you’re a parent, I’m sure you don’t either. The allowance is a critical tool for teaching kids about money. And if you don’t teach them about money, no one will. The ins and outs of credit, saving, and investing doesn’t seem to be part of the public school curriculum. I wonder why.

We’re planning on starting allowances for both Emma and Sarah on the first of August. Mark and I haven’t really talked about it at length, so this is really my own vision of how it’s going to go, but I see it going sort of like this:

$25.00 per month, payable the first of every month. (Why? Because one of my first jobs out of university was a contract job that was paid monthly. Oy did that ever teach me how to budget.)

From that amount, they will be expected to set aside :

$5 towards a long-term investment (Why? Because kids should learn about investing early. The earlier the better! There’s that compound interest thing you know.)
$5 towards a charity of their choosing (Why? Because charity is learned. Emma has already decided to give hers to CHEO.)
$5 to save in a bank account for an item of their choosing (Why? Because we should all be better at saving our pennies instead of plunking down the credit card.)

This will leave them with $10.00/month to spend however they like. They are in control of this money. Outside of birthdays and Christmas we rarely buy the girls toys and gifts so it’ll be interesting to see what they want choose to spend it on. Am I concerned they’ll buy crap? Yes. But I also hope they remember our past experiences with dollar-store toys (not good) and not clog their bedrooms with it. I want them to learn the value of money, but I also want them to make their own spending mistakes. I do, for example, foresee someone forking over her money for something junky and then regretting her purchase. All good lessons to learn I think.

Will they use their money to buy candy and junk food? Probably. But they’ll still have to abide by our rules about eating it. i.e. not right before dinner.

Oh, and I’d like to forgo the debit card for now. I don’t think anyone is ready for that quite yet.

Will they be able to keep track of their purses/wallets? Not if they’ve inherited their mother’s genes.

What do you do about allowance?


8 Responses to "Kids and money"

1 | Ginger

July 30th, 2007 at 4:50 pm

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I want to comment about the whole “not teaching about money in public education” thing. I teach middle school in Texas (ages 11-14). I teach in a low socio-economic area. If there is one thing that the students I teach need, it is good money skills. Unfortunately, most of the kids I teach have parents that do not have good skills when it comes to money matters. They buy expensive shoes and cell phones and game systems because it shows status and then they cannot afford to put food on the table or pay the electric bill. My students come to school without the essentials like paper and pencils and pens. It is frustrating as a teacher and disturbing as a member of society. As for why it isn’t in the curriculum, at least in the United States, there is only one answer: TESTING. It is a horrible fact of US education that we do not teach life skills. We don’t teach children to manage money or to solve problems. We don’t teach them to stop and think before acting. We teach them to take a test. This is supposed to tell us if a child has learned the required material and can pass on to the next grade. All the other life-skills stuff is left to parents, many of which do not have life skills. It is frustrating and sad. I wish more parents were like you and your husband. I applaud your efforts!

2 | Jenn

July 30th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

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I remember one assignment I had in grade six math where we were required to make a collage type book in December using cut outs from advertiments. We had a set budget for each part of the upcoming holiday including dinner, presents and decorations. It was a real eye opener as pictures were required to have the prices attached and tallied up the totals to meet the budget.

3 | Kim

July 30th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

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Hi,

Brooke receives $7 a week (a buck a day) and is expected to complete her chores daily or she loses her dollar for that day. It works well but I would like to teach her about giving and saving as well so I think I may start that next month or so.

I have a chart in the kitchen with all of her chores for each day listed. Every Saturday evening I hang a dollar under each day and when she completes her chores for each day she can have her money. I used to just give her her allowance on Fridays but changed to this method to ensure she was earning what she was getting. It works much better for us.

Have a great night :-)

4 | chantal

July 31st, 2007 at 9:14 am

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My kids don’t have “chores” either. There are just certain things they are expected to do as part of this (big!) family. I can’t do it all alone! So they are responsible for cleaning their bathrooms, their rooms, putting away their clothes, setting the table and all that other stuff … It’s just understood that we all work together and when they ask for small items like gum on a grocery trip or a pizza days at school that the family will pay for it. Does that make sense?

As for paying them directly … Right now, I’m helping out a friend by watching her two daughters three days a week. Kristyn and Erin are 9 and 10 and the girls adore them, so they help me out quite a bit. In return, they get paid $15/week. They saved their money all throughout July and managed to pay their own way to the Almonte Fair. They had so much fun and I think a lot of it had to do with having paid for most of it themselves.

5 | Chantal

July 31st, 2007 at 11:03 am

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Great topic, love the ideas. There is definitely a gap in the education aspect. The Caise Populair Desjardins has a program to fill the gap where they come into the school at a predetermined schedule and take deposits from the kids, update their bank books. It allows the teacher to talk about banking and money and stuff in the lead up to the deposit day. But there is no CP in the west end of Ottawa (and they only offer the program in French). It is ok for as long as the kids want to make deposits but when it comes time to withdraw they have to go to the bank itself and that just isn’t terribly convenient. I wish a bigger bank would take on a program like that one. CP has been doing it for over a 100 years (according to their web site). I wonder if there is a way to encourage one of the big banks to take on a similar program… Where would one even start…

6 | BeachMama

July 31st, 2007 at 3:36 pm

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Interesting take on allowance. When I was younger I had to earn it. At the same time, I also worked odd jobs (mowing lawns, babysitting – when I was a bit older, washing windows, working with my Dad) starting at nine years old. Not only did I have an allowance, but I earned money too.

Hubby used to give A (now 15) an allowance, to buy little treats for himself. I always had a hard time with this because we already dished out money to his mother, who also gave him an allowance. It just seemed we were letting the money flow all the time. Then Hubby realized that A didn’t do anything to help out and stopped. Instead of giving him money we just buy him stuff his Mom doesn’t buy, like gaming/hockey/computer magazines and contribute to purchases he wants to make that we support like his camera and computer. This is how it works with him. I don’t think it’s the best, but this is how it has ended up.

As for J well, at almost 4 he already helps out around the house more than A ever has. We haven’t started an allowance yet, but he has a piggy bank that he puts his money in. Money that he finds in the dryer, on the driveway, in the car, that Grandparents give him. Every now and then he asks to see how much he has and tells me all the people he is going to visit with his money, all family. So, I think we are doing well by him so far. We try not to buy too much for him and if he has had a ‘treat’ then we set a time limit before he gets anymore. And we explain that somethings are just too expensive and we won’t be buying them.

Whew. Sorry for the novel, I just think this is something that is so important and we need to start our kids off on the right foot. As for learning at school, not sure about that because we all have different ways we think our kids should save and spend their money.

7 | andrea

July 31st, 2007 at 6:43 pm

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Beachmama: We have the same piggy bank situation as you guys. :)

re: learning money at school. For sure, parents will have different specifics they want to impart on their children about money. (Much like sex ed!) But I think there’s still a lot schools can teach: about interest, RSPs and investment, mortgages etc. According to a recent article in the National Post
more than half of Canadians underestimate how much a (mortgaged) home really costs. I can’t help but wonder… how is this possible?

8 | anne turner

August 1st, 2007 at 11:08 am

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Great topic, Andrea.

I recall getting a nickel for every dandelion we dug out of our front yard (with the roots). Also, we would sell our Halloween candy to our parents in an attempt I think to limit the sugar we gorged on. (Then mom would include a piece of candy in with our daily lunches for months afterwards. I think she was just trying to ration.) I think since we were very little they saved for us, had a bank account. And when we were a certain age, I don’t recall how old, we got as many dollars as we were years old per week. It was not linked to chores.

I don’t really recall being handed money, and I recall saving the money, knowing it was in my bank account waiting for something I really might want… (I’ll have to ask my parents how this worked) Also we had a separate account that was for education, to help pay for college. I think it was important to feel that we had some control and choice in the matter. A younger cousin of mine was not brought into this kind of money managing participation, she was not given money to control, and she always seemed to be begging or wheedling for things that she wanted.

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