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04 Jul, 2014

The creeps

Posted by andrea tomkins in: Misc. life

As some of you know, I have two young teen daughters. No one said parenting was going to be a walk in the park, but it sure isn’t easy raising girls who were born into a social media age that is completely unlike the era in which I grew up.

In those days, communications was limited to a rotary phone with the very long cord, notes passed in school, knocking on someone’s door, and the post (in other words, MAIL). I remember when we first got cable, and a wireless remote control. I remember the thrill of watching a movie that we could rent at the store, and watch as many times as we wanted. I remember how awesome it was to record music and television shows. I remember sending my first emails and being amazed at the speed of which information could suddenly travel.

Today, it’s Netflix and texting and Snapchat and Twitter. Much more of the communicating that’s done is faceless and anonymous. Although I refuse to live my life in fear – afraid for myself and afraid for my kids – I do believe that it’s important to help our kids understand what kind of things they might run into out there in the world.

Sidebar: I never talked to my daughters about the #YesAllWomen articles and discussions that happened awhile back. But maybe I will, because there’s so much truth in there that it hurts. (If you don’t know about it, you can read about how it started right here.)

This was one of the stories that was floating around my social networks this morning: Woman catches man taking creeper shots. Ugh. Go read it.

As the mother of two young teen girls, this makes my skin crawl. THIS guy is the kind of guy I’ve been warning my kids about. I don’t know if they really believe men can be so gross, so close to home. And I’m not sure if men truly understand how this kind of thing makes women feel, and how frequently it happens.

Just last week I was working at my local coffee shop. There was a gaggle of tween girls sitting at a nearby table. I love watching young people in the wild. They are in their element, it seems, and it makes me happy to see them so happy. Wrapped up in their little social cocoon, happily talking and laughing, blissfully unaware of everything that is going on around them. It looked like they were working on an assignment, as their conversation was mostly centred around a laptop and I could overheard snippets of academic chatter over the sounds of the coffee shop.

I happened to be sitting at an L-shaped bank of seats. I was facing outward, towards their table, on one half of the L. On the other half of the L, there was a guy, sitting alone, facing outward as well. He looked like he was in his late 30s. He didn’t have a coffee in front of him, just a reusable water bottle. He was seated right across from the girls’ table. Every once in awhile he held his phone up in a certain way that made me think he might be taking a photo. Of course, I couldn’t be sure, because I didn’t have a clear view. I watched him, hoping to catch him in the act. He eventually caught me glaring, gave me an odd smirk, and put his phone down.

This isn’t the only time I’ve seen this happen. It’s happened before, at a local beach, and I was so angry I had to speak up: not just to the men who were surreptitiously taking photos of a group of young teen girls, but to the girls themselves. I told them what was happening, and that it was NOT ok.

There have always been creepy guys among us, but we live in different times, and the unfortunate reality is that the rise of smart phones makes this behaviour a lot more common.

This is why I’m asking you, if you see someone taking sneaky photos of someone else and you’re in a safe place, you must call them on it. If those were my girls at the coffee shop the other day, I’d want someone to look out for them and protect them from photo-taking creeps. Wouldn’t you?


13 Responses to "The creeps"

1 | SM

July 4th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

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Thank you SO much for posting this. Too often we stay silent, especially as women. We don’t want to cause a scene, conflict, upset anyone, etc. But this type of behaviour is absolutely horrifying.

The “awe, you need to lighten up” attitude I and many others have encountered when calling this kind of thing out absolutely enrages me. At the root of the problem is the fact we have entrenched the idea that only that which physically harms women is truly harmful.

I really wish schools incorporated some form of education regarding consent (be it consent in relation to sexual activities, or in relation to the idea that by doing something covertly, like filming a woman without her knowing, you are violating her). To echo a common sentiment…As a woman, I know what rape/assault and harassment are, but I’m not so sure all young men do.

If you do talk to your daughters about #yesallwomen, I would love to hear how they react (if it isn’t too personal to discuss here, of course!)

2 | Javamom

July 4th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

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See, this is the kind of thing that makes me take a GIANT leap backwards after having given myself a pep talk to the point of going FORWARD. This is the kind of thing that is preventing me from helping my child(ren) learn how to navigate alone, independently of me, in a world that his so different from my own childhood experiences.

Case in point: it was just today when I ended up in the library on the way back from errands. The library is one block from home. A literal 5 minute walk from home. I called my 9yo son and asked him to meet me at the library where I was waiting for him with his sister. I said ‘tell daddy you’re going to meet me’ and then encouraged him to walk up the private, residential street by himself.

He got to the library 5 minutes later. I was so proud of him. In mid sentence of praising him he said “daddy walked me to the door of the library”.

I was mad. At him and at his dad. (I’m not mad anymore, just disappointed, resigned and sad.) Then I read your post and I think “nope, we’re not ready to let him walk to the library by himself”.

The entire thing just makes me want to cry.

This isn’t the first time I wrote about this. I wrote a post on my blog called Hovering at a Distance. Same topic, different scenario.

Thank you for this post. My response to your post isn’t geared at making anyone feel bad, it’s just an illustration just how complicated things have become in seemingly simple, straight-forward parenting issues. My issue being “how to encourage a 9 year old boy to walk a block to a library by himself without fear”. But it’s along the same lines of tween girls working on a project together in a public place, unaware that someone was taking photos of them without their permission for who knows what purpose.

I thought I was ready to let my son practice independence, even though he doesn’t seem to be quite there yet. But now…?

SIGH.

3 | Misty Pratt

July 4th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

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oh my goodness YES!! I’d also loudly tell him I’m calling the cops….obviously he’d be outta there in a minute, but I wouldn’t hesitate to call him out. You’re right about creeps being everywhere though…I remember being a young teen on the Toronto subway one time. It was SO crowded in there, and I think I was wearing a skirt. Anyway, I felt someone touching me inappropriately….it was terrifying, and scary that I couldn’t really move anywhere. We need to teach all women AND men that they need to speak up, and speak up loudly if these things are happening. (btw, the same thing happened to my aunt one time of the subway, and she took her enormous high heel, and jabbed it into the man’s foot, as she had figured out who it was….good for her!)

4 | andrea tomkins

July 4th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

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The first step to reducing this kind of behaviour is making it very clear that it’s not acceptable, even if it may appear rude at times. We’re deeply conditioned to be polite and mind our own business, sometimes to our detriment I think.

Javamom,
It is complicated, for sure, but I didn’t post this to make parents feel more afraid. All we can realistically do is teach our kids how to be street smart (whether it’s online or offline), let them have more responsibility when they’re ready for it, and gradually let go. It’s tough though.

5 | Javamom

July 4th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

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I wonder if I have it in me to go up to such a person and say out loud “do you have permission taking pictures of these people?” or something to that effect.

I also wonder what the responsibility is of the shop owners/workers…I realize they can’t be held responsible for all actions of their customers, but if a customer did something lewd, such as expose himself or threaten violence or something like that, they would react to that. it’s so much trickier with social media, handheld phones with cameras…sigh.

It’s all so….hard. Thank you for bringing this up on your blog. :)

6 | Honeymom

July 4th, 2014 at 5:39 pm

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Thank you for posting this. As the mother of two young daughters, 12 and almost 16, I sadly wasn’t aware of this happening. I mean, i get it and can now see how and why etc. I guess I just wasn’t educated enough on the topic.
I just told my 12 year old the scenario you laid out in the coffee shop. I asked her what she thought of the man taking ”secret’ pictures and she immediately said ”That’s creepy!” My girls and I will be discussing this further this evening.
I would say something to the offender if I ever found myself witness to such behaviour as hard as it might be. Like you say, I’d want the same for my daughters.
My sincere thanks for bringing this to your reader’s attention.

7 | andrea tomkins

July 4th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

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If you see someone taking a sneaky photo of someone we can just ask the question: “Excuse me, are you taking photos of that person?”

We can go one step further and alerting the person who’s photo is being taken that this is happening. They may have something to say about it.

I’m such a mama bear, I’d have no problem calling someone out if I was certain. I wasn’t 100% sure in the case I described above, but I WAS certain in an incident I wrote about here a few years ago. (You can read that post here.)

The tricky thing is, people are legally allowed to take photos of other people in public spaces… but I see it as a very grey area, one that practically constitutes harassment in my view.

8 | Miss Vicky

July 4th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

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I think we have a responsibility to talk to our daughters about #YesAllWomen and all that it means for them. We also need to talk to our sons, if we have them. Because it’s not good enough to talk to girls about how they need to watch for the creepers. We have to challenge the attitudes that make the creepers feel like that kind of behaviour is acceptable, that they are entitled to view our girls as sexual objects and that it is OK to act on that sense of entitlement. This photo-taking business is just one part of a continuum of behaviour and attitude about women and girls and our bodies and our role in society. And these attitudes about gender roles are imprinted in our kids early, reinforced at school and by the media throughout their lives. By the time they become teens or maybe even tweens, the decks are stacked against them – boys and girls.

9 | Annie @ PhD in Parenting

July 7th, 2014 at 9:27 am

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Tangentially related, I have found myself having to be careful when taking selfies for the #365feministselfie. People don’t always know which camera lens I’m using (front vs back), so it can look like I’m taking a picture of someone else when I’m actually taking a picture of myself, especially if I’m not obviously smiling directly at the camera.

10 | andrea tomkins

July 7th, 2014 at 5:02 pm

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Annie, yes! The selfie thing is definitely a by product. I don’t often take them, but I can definitely see how it might be an issue in public spaces.

11 | Stop the music.

July 8th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

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Javamom: First of all, you’re a good mom. BIG HUG. Now the tough message….your 9 year-old son can and should be allowed to walk to the library. Let him grow. The level of risk is very very low. And don’t forget to tell him and your daughter that they are POWERFUL and can stop bullying and disrespect.

When I think of messed up girls and boys, I can’t help but think of music videos and pop music. Most of the artists are horribly dysfuntional and the messages are so incredibly backwards. A large percentage of kids watch LOTS of these STUPID videos. I see tween/teen/adult behaviour that is much like what I see in these videos. How do we stop these losers from molding and raising our kids?

12 | future landfill

July 22nd, 2014 at 11:49 pm

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And yet, and yet. I’ve had a few decades of street photography, snapping pics of people and events in public places, cafes, pubs. Sometimes obviously at festivals or parties, sometimes more discreetly so as to capture unposed expressions or behaviour.

I’m conscious that some of my possible subjects might resent the intrusion and I usually refrain accordingly or ask permission.

What is troubling about the discussion is that a woman photographer would seldom be challenged, and most likely wouldn’t have a qualm, about photographing youngsters of any age, of either sex, in any setting, if the photogenic opportunity was compelling.

We guys? Just dirty old men. Somehow we’re not allowed to admire and possibly capture an image of youthful exuberance, or loveliness, or earnestness, or innocence.

I freely acknowledge that creepy guys are just about everywhere and are mostly indistinguishable from some other innocent guy with a camera, made all the more so with phone cameras, like buddy in your coffee shop.

I’m just a bit uncomfortable tarring too many of us with the same lurid brush.

13 | Three stories, and talking to our daughters about the creepy guys, AGAIN. >> a peek inside the fishbowl

October 30th, 2014 at 10:59 am

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